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I am in need of a new windlass and before I go and spend lots of money I wanted to get some “wisdom” from the gang about what has worked for you. My old (original SL Seawolf) windlass has broken/burned up for the last time. I have rebuilt it several times over the years, but I just don’t think it is heavy duty enough to do what I am asking of it. Yes, it would pull up a loose anchor and chain, but if you put any tension on it from wind and waves, or even try to use it to haul a bosun’s chair, it won’t do it. Two years ago I put in a new (upgraded) motor from the guy in Scotland. I have now done about 75% refurbishment on the Seawolf, and just decided to move on and get a better unit.
At the Annapolis Boat Show last week I looked at the Maxwell HRC10-8. http://www.maxwellmarine.com/gen_hrc10.php That’s what the Maxwell tech recommended for the boat. I’m not getting any younger, so I like it’s features, but it is expensive. Defender has it on sale for $1849.95 plus shipping and Northern Marine made me a quote of $1750 including shipping.
Before I spring for it, I just wanted to see if there were any better ideas.
Charlie
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Charlie,
I have only 4 months experience with the 1500W Quick Hector windlass I
installed last year. I can’t compare it to other makes or even to other
Quick models as my previous windlass was a Lofrans Royal manual windlass.
I had good recommendations from other cruisers for the Maxwell and Lofrans
models as well as the Quick windlass. My decision came down to wanting the
most power for the buck and that turned out to be Quick in the fall of
2012. I purchased the Quick Hector at the Annapolis Boat Show. Since then
Lograns have upgraded the Tigres windlass from 1200 to 1500W. At the time
the 1500W Quick was slightly cheaper than the 1200W Lofrans and Quick
shipped free – a significant cost since I needed the windlass shipped from
MD to FL.
I carry a 60Lb Manson anchor and all 5/16″ chain rode. I wanted to be sure
I could break the anchor free in a strong wind. I haven’t really tested
that capability, but so far I’m very pleased with the Quick.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com
Sarah’s BlogOn Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:11 PM, cstewart via maillist <
> wrote:I am in need of a new windlass and before I go and spend lots of money I
wanted to get some “wisdom” from the gang about what has worked for you.
My old (original SL Seawolf) windlass has broken/burned up for the last
time. I have rebuilt it several times over the years, but I just don’t
think it is heavy duty enough to do what I am asking of it. Yes, it would
pull up a loose anchor and chain, but if you put any tension on it from
wind and waves, or even try to use it to haul a bosun’s chair, it won’t do
it. Two years ago I put in a new (upgraded) motor from the guy in
Scotland. I have now done about 75% refurbishment on the Seawolf, and just
decided to move on and get a better unit.
At the Annapolis Boat Show last week I looked at the Maxwell HRC10-8.
http://www.maxwellmarine.com/gen_hrc10.php That’s what the Maxwell tech
recommended for the boat. I’m not getting any younger, so I like it’s
features, but it is expensive. Defender has it on sale for $1849.95 plus
shipping and Northern Marine made me a quote of $1750 including shipping.
Before I spring for it, I just wanted to see if there were any better
ideas.
Charlie
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Charlie,
I don’t know what’s “better” among the popular brands, but I can
vouch for my Lofrans 1500, which I put on 7 years ago and have
used quite a bit with lots of 3/8 chain and substantial anchors.
My only regret is that I opted for the vertical windlass instead
of the horizontal, for this reason: I replaced Silverheels
original, inadequate (for cruising) Pearson anchor well with a
proper, divided chain locker beneath a solid foredeck. I cruise
and inevitably sometimes set 2 bow anchors to sleep well at
night. A vertical windlass – any vertical windlass – is designed
to handle just one anchor. I’ve had to literally invent a system
for mine to handle both of Silverheels’ anchors with reasonable
efficiency. It works, but a horizontal windlass is designed to
handle two separate anchors and would’ve been the better choice
on my boat.Tor
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Hi Charlie,
I’m in the exact same place. I’ve been trying (with varying levels of success) to rebuild my SL Seawolf with help (if you can call it that) with the Scotland guy. I’m totally done with him (after spending several hundred dollars on parts; some of which were even correct).Anyway, I haven’t bought it yet but I’m kinda leaning toward a Lewmar V3 vertical. It would fit in my space and only require some minor mods.
The Maxwell your considering is also a good choice, however, I think you’ll need to cut the anchor locker door (since the windlass will overhang). That’s not tragic, but I was kind of hoping to avoid that. But I’m still chewing on it.
Happy to hear about other ideas too. I’m gonna pull the trigger on a Maxwell or Lewmar in the next couple weeks. Perhaps we can keep each other posted on the process.
Best,
Paul Audi
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:12 PM, Silverheels via maillist wrote:
Charlie,
I don’t know what’s “better” among the popular brands, but I can
vouch for my Lofrans 1500, which I put on 7 years ago and have
used quite a bit with lots of 3/8 chain and substantial anchors.
My only regret is that I opted for the vertical windlass instead
of the horizontal, for this reason: I replaced Silverheels
original, inadequate (for cruising) Pearson anchor well with a
proper, divided chain locker beneath a solid foredeck. I cruise
and inevitably sometimes set 2 bow anchors to sleep well at
night. A vertical windlass – any vertical windlass – is designed
to handle just one anchor. I’ve had to literally invent a system
for mine to handle both of Silverheels’ anchors with reasonable
efficiency. It works, but a horizontal windlass is designed to
handle two separate anchors and would’ve been the better choice
on my boat.Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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Aloha Charlie:  I installed the Maxwell HRC 10 on our boat about two years ago.  I wanted a horizontal unit because it’s easier to  handle two anchors with it.  I have 300′ of 3/8 chain on a 60 lb Manson Supreme as well as 50′ of 3/8″ chain on 250 of 12 strand on my secondary.
I followed Tor’s approach by sealing the foredeck and all works well. Â I even installed a recessed anchor wash down unit.
Yes, it blows strong most of the time here in the Sandwich Isles and I feel secure with this setup. Â I’ve attached a pic for illustration.
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu
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Charlie:  be aware that the HRC 10 requires  a horizontal chain feed to work properly.  This will require a base to raise the windlass unit over the toerail level.  I’ve attached a pic of my setup.
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No pic attached in your email.
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Dan,
No pic attached in your email.
Tor
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I’m in a similar position. I’ll be replacing a manual Sea Tiger. Trying to
decide between the two comparable horizontal units – Maxwell HRC10-8 and
the Lewmar H3.
Any opinions on two features that are different between the two (1) The
contactor is built in to the main case with the Lewmar (2) The Maxwell
windlass has an ‘integral chain pipe and huge, through deck hawse pipe
throat’ that must be designed to assist in directing the chain into the
anchor locker…. but this feature also seems to limit access to the hawse
pipe.. It appears that if you needed to you, you could manually feed the
chain through the hawse pipe with the Lewmar unit which is more open.. but
maybe the integral chain pipe adds value?? The Lewmar is about $400 more
at Defender..Rick Dugger
Eclipse #73On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:11 PM, cstewart via maillist <
> wrote:I am in need of a new windlass and before I go and spend lots of money I
wanted to get some “wisdom” from the gang about what has worked for you.
My old (original SL Seawolf) windlass has broken/burned up for the last
time. I have rebuilt it several times over the years, but I just don’t
think it is heavy duty enough to do what I am asking of it. Yes, it would
pull up a loose anchor and chain, but if you put any tension on it from
wind and waves, or even try to use it to haul a bosun’s chair, it won’t do
it. Two years ago I put in a new (upgraded) motor from the guy in
Scotland. I have now done about 75% refurbishment on the Seawolf, and just
decided to move on and get a better unit.
At the Annapolis Boat Show last week I looked at the Maxwell HRC10-8.
http://www.maxwellmarine.com/gen_hrc10.php That’s what the Maxwell tech
recommended for the boat. I’m not getting any younger, so I like it’s
features, but it is expensive. Defender has it on sale for $1849.95 plus
shipping and Northern Marine made me a quote of $1750 including shipping.
Before I spring for it, I just wanted to see if there were any better
ideas.
Charlie
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"People cannot discover new lands until they have the courage to lose
sight of the shore."
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Rick,
I can’t help you with your brand comparison, but I will say that
when I removed Silverheels’ old SL Sea Tiger manual windlass,
which was in good condition, the teeth not much worn, I cleaned,
serviced and re-painted it and posted it with a few good photos
for auction on eBay. Got an astonishing price from some doctor in
California, enough to cover half the cost of the Lofrans 1500
with which I replaced it. Don’t under-value your old Simpson
Lawrence. Some people still lust for those classics.Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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Thanks Tor … I’d heard that there would be people interested in it. It
has served Eclipse well over the years.. I’m geeserizing her now and the
electric windlass is on her bucket list.
Rick
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> wrote:Quote:Rick,I can’t help you with your brand comparison, but I will say that
when I removed Silverheels’ old SL Sea Tiger manual windlass,
which was in good condition, the teeth not much worn, I cleaned,
serviced and re-painted it and posted it with a few good photos
for auction on eBay. Got an astonishing price from some doctor in
California, enough to cover half the cost of the Lofrans 1500
with which I replaced it. Don’t under-value your old Simpson
Lawrence. Some people still lust for those classics.Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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In fact, I sort of lust after it. I really want a manual windlass,
horizontal if possible.Bob
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> wrote:Quote:Rick,I can’t help you with your brand comparison, but I will say that
when I removed Silverheels’ old SL Sea Tiger manual windlass,
which was in good condition, the teeth not much worn, I cleaned,
serviced and re-painted it and posted it with a few good photos
for auction on eBay. Got an astonishing price from some doctor in
California, enough to cover half the cost of the Lofrans 1500
with which I replaced it. Don’t under-value your old Simpson
Lawrence. Some people still lust for those classics.Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
http://www.silverheels.us
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Tor: Â the pix are on the website, but they don’t show up on the email. Â I don’t know why they don’t make it to the email. Â
I donated my old SL Tiger to a sailor with a much bigger work list than me and a much smaller budget. Â I think it’s in Fiji now.
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu
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Good on you, mate. Nobody around here wanted mine, so it made some doctor in Marina del Rey happy instead. Somehow I don’t think it’ll make to Fiji. Maybe Catalina Island someday.
Tor
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I replaced the windlass on Discoverie this spring. I managed to store the 500′ of rode in the area ahead of the V-berth. I’ll send pix, but here’s the parts list from Defender.
I also plan to add a battery in the V-berth to power it.
Item Information
Item Number Item Description Quantity
Shipped Unit Price Total Price
001147 Acco BBB Chain 150 $4.79 $718.50
012193 Yale Cordage Nylon Brait 8-Strand Rope 350 $1.49 $521.50
850146 Defender Splicing Service – Chain Rode Splice – 8 Plait 1 $33.00 $33.00
002041 Maxwell Chain Stopper 1 $254.99 $254.99em Information
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Shipped Unit Price Total Price
012221 Maxwell RC10-10 Vertical Windlass 1 $1,600.00 $1,600.00On Oct 23, 2014, at 5:11 PM, cstewart via maillist wrote:
I am in need of a new windlass and before I go and spend lots of money I wanted to get some “wisdom” from the gang about what has worked for you. My old (original SL Seawolf) windlass has broken/burned up for the last time. I have rebuilt it several times over the years, but I just don’t think it is heavy duty enough to do what I am asking of it. Yes, it would pull up a loose anchor and chain, but if you put any tension on it from wind and waves, or even try to use it to haul a bosun’s chair, it won’t do it. Two years ago I put in a new (upgraded) motor from the guy in Scotland. I have now done about 75% refurbishment on the Seawolf, and just decided to move on and get a better unit.
At the Annapolis Boat Show last week I looked at the Maxwell HRC10-8. http://www.maxwellmarine.com/gen_hrc10.php That’s what the Maxwell tech recommended for the boat. I’m not getting any younger, so I like it’s features, but it is expensive. Defender has it on sale for $1849.95 plus shipping and Northern Marine made me a quote of $1750 including shipping.
Before I spring for it, I just wanted to see if there were any better ideas.
Charlie
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Thanks for all the input. I like the HRC10-8 (it supports 3/16 G4) but now I am thinking that it will not fit on my deck where I have a platform built for the old SeaWolf. (see pics: https://plus.google.com/photos/101211161196102038779/albums/6074686830288648689
The old Seawolf is 11 3/8 inches long and the HRC is 14 9/16 inches long so I may not have enough deck space. I don’t think I want a vertical for some of the reasons mentioned, plus I don’t want to take up any space in the anchor locker. Soooo, I will be looking at the Quick, the Lofrans and the Lewmar to see if I can get a horizontal with a footprint of about 13 inches.
This will make much more sense if the pictures work, however I haven’t seen any pictures come through on this discussion yet.
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I think the HRC can fit, but you need to cut/modify the anchor locker door. I don’t think any of the newer windlasses are as compact sat the Seawolf. The lighthouse will fit the deck space, but the motor is big below deck (complicating the anchor locker).
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Thanks for all the input. I like the HRC10-8 (it supports 3/16 G4) but now I am thinking that it will not fit on my deck where I have a platform built for the old SeaWolf. (see pics: https://plus.google.com/photos/101211161196102038779/albums/6074686830288648689
The old Seawolf is 11 3/8 inches long and the HRC is 14 9/16 inches long so I may not have enough deck space. I don’t think I want a vertical for some of the reasons mentioned, plus I don’t want to take up any space in the anchor locker. Soooo, I will be looking at the Quick, the Lofrans and the Lewmar to see if I can get a horizontal with a footprint of about 13 inches.
This will make much more sense if the pictures work, however I haven’t seen any pictures come through on this discussion yet.
Thanks,
Charlie
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Here’s a thought. Before you discount a windlass just because its
motor is protected belowdecks, tape a cardboard box of the
motor’s dimensions on the underside of the foredeck where the
motor would be. You may find, as I have, that it isn’t in the way
of the chain at all, ever.Tor
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That is, unless you’ve got that original anchor well taking up
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I suppose you know that Defender has a spring sale in the spring each year. If you can wait that long you can usually save a few bucks.
Rich
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Aloha Charlie:  I installed the HRC 10-10 on Jolly Lama.  The original SL tiger was mounted on a block nestled right up forward in the bow.  I followed Tor’s approach and sealed off the anchor locker door  so that I could move the windlass as far aft over the locker as possible.  This allows the chain to start filling up the locker at its deepest point. Â
I beefed up the former anchor locker door area with a large SS plate to distribute the anchor &chain load as much as possible. Â I did have to have a (teak) base built for the 10-10 to raise the windlass up so that the chain or rope feed was just above horizontal. Â I made an insert of polymer lumber to fit between the teak base and the deck for sealant and cleaning purposes.
All this resulted in a clean installation that has no motor below deck, handles 300′ of 3/8 chain  and works to my satisfaction.
I’ve posted pix on the new website, but for some reason they don’t post to the email column.
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu
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Dan: You said you had a picture of your HRC 10 installation on Jolly Lama, but I never saw it. I do have a raised foredeck for the windlass, but it looks like the RC10 might be a little long and interfere with the anchor locker door. Can you send a picture to my email address? sailoneeighty@gmail.com
thanks,
Charlie (my forepeak picture is attached)
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Aloha Charlie: Â I sent the pix to your email. Â Note that I followed Tor’s approach by cutting out the floor of the original anchor locker, installed a new “floor” at the bottom of the space, and then glassed in the anchor locker door. Â This allowed me to mount the windlass so the chain drops to the lowest part of the locker as it fills. Â
I’m not sure how the  HRC 10-10 would work with the original locker door  left intact.  I opted for the HRC-10-10 model because it was more robust and could handle 3/8″ chain.  The price differential wasn’t that much.  Besides, it helps when your son works at West Marine!
Dan Kalinowski
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I ended up cutting the anchor well door to fit by the windlass motor. If I had it to do again, I’d cut it slightly differently but a photo is linked below.
http://www.richardcarter.net/Deck.html
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