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Hello to all waiting for spring…
I have aluminium water tanks! This year I can not get system to work – a
lot of air in lines… I am guessing the original lines have failed – that
is leaking. How do you get to the tank hook up points for the p and s
tanks – bow can see it? I slide the extension boards out and found two
inspection lids one at bow end for the filler line and over flow line. At
stern of tank and inspection plate. Can not see the out flow hook up.
Looking under deck has not proved helpful. .Questions:
1. Anyone with same set up?
2. If I fully remove the extension board can I remove the sheet of plywood
covering tank?
3. Do you think I will be able to spot water line hook up point? Prepared
to cut opening to do work….Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Cada Grove
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Cada,
I didn’t know any 424’s had aluminum water tanks.
Silverheels’ are integral fiberglass, so I can only
speak for this setup. The discharge hoses for both
tanks are at the aft lower inboard corners of the
tanks. Those hoses run directly to the freshwater
manifold beneath the galley sink (in my L-galley
layout). My access to those fittings is, as you
guessed, under the tanks’ screwed down plywood cover,
which I cut early on so I could remove just the aft
4-or-5″ to get into that narrow space between the tank
and its aft bulkhead. To run new hoses, though, I had
to stand with my feet in the deep bilge sump and wedge
my upper body underneath the cabin sole to reach and
lead the hoses. Good to get to know that under-sole
area in any case, with its plumbing and wire runs.I believe some smarter 424 owners have cut access
panels in each tank’s aft bulkhead to access those
water tank hose barbs, and to open up that wasted space
for storage. Not sure how that works on the port side
in a U-galley layout.Have fun!
Tor
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Cada,
I did as Tor indicated others have done and cut an access hole in the
bulkhead aft of the water tank. Here is a link to what I had to do:
http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewWaterTankLeak.htmlI also have fiberglass tanks. Either a PO ground out the original tanks on
your boat and replaced them with aluminum, or yours is a very late model
and Pearson had switched the tank set up.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Cada,I didn’t know any 424’s had aluminum water tanks.
Silverheels’ are integral fiberglass, so I can only
speak for this setup. The discharge hoses for both
tanks are at the aft lower inboard corners of the
tanks. Those hoses run directly to the freshwater
manifold beneath the galley sink (in my L-galley
layout). My access to those fittings is, as you
guessed, under the tanks’ screwed down plywood cover,
which I cut early on so I could remove just the aft
4-or-5″ to get into that narrow space between the tank
and its aft bulkhead. To run new hoses, though, I had
to stand with my feet in the deep bilge sump and wedge
my upper body underneath the cabin sole to reach and
lead the hoses. Good to get to know that under-sole
area in any case, with its plumbing and wire runs.I believe some smarter 424 owners have cut access
panels in each tank’s aft bulkhead to access those
water tank hose barbs, and to open up that wasted space
for storage. Not sure how that works on the port side
in a U-galley layout.Have fun!
Tor
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Thanks for feed back. Already checked and the water line hook ups are not
at the aft end. Jubilee was original built as a charter boat and has a
very extensive holding tank set up and prevents me from getting into bilge.
Looks like I will be cutting access holes – after I check every thing
again. Think I may revetse flow and see if I have a blockage at he intake
end.Appreciate any additional input.
Pete liked your new set up…I may go that route as part of what I think is
going to be a major project of up grading the water system.Cada Grove
Jubilee haul No, 100On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Cada,I didn’t know any 424’s had aluminum water tanks.
Silverheels’ are integral fiberglass, so I can only
speak for this setup. The discharge hoses for both
tanks are at the aft lower inboard corners of the
tanks. Those hoses run directly to the freshwater
manifold beneath the galley sink (in my L-galley
layout). My access to those fittings is, as you
guessed, under the tanks’ screwed down plywood cover,
which I cut early on so I could remove just the aft
4-or-5″ to get into that narrow space between the tank
and its aft bulkhead. To run new hoses, though, I had
to stand with my feet in the deep bilge sump and wedge
my upper body underneath the cabin sole to reach and
lead the hoses. Good to get to know that under-sole
area in any case, with its plumbing and wire runs.I believe some smarter 424 owners have cut access
panels in each tank’s aft bulkhead to access those
water tank hose barbs, and to open up that wasted space
for storage. Not sure how that works on the port side
in a U-galley layout.Have fun!
Tor
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The fun never ends.
My boat came with a sizeable stainless steel holding
tank occupying the space aft of the main mast,
stretching almost to the edge of the sump cliff.
Happily, it is removable. I pulled it to rearrange its
hose connection fittings, and kept it out for a while
so I could run new water hoses, mast wiring, forward
(windlass) battery cable, etc, etc. I can slide it out
through the floorboard hatch (above the sump) by myself
and manhandle it out of the boat, albeit awkwardly.
Can’t imagine refitting a 424 without full bilge and
under-sole access, at least for a while.Tor
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Thanks foer info. My al. tanks are just sitting in the compartment formed
by the berth. Think I may be into a full removal of them for
inspection/repair..Cada
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Cada Grove wrote:
Quote:Thanks for feed back. Already checked and the water line hook ups are not
at the aft end. Jubilee was original built as a charter boat and has a
very extensive holding tank set up and prevents me from getting into bilge.
Looks like I will be cutting access holes – after I check every thing
again. Think I may revetse flow and see if I have a blockage at he intake
end.Appreciate any additional input.
Pete liked your new set up…I may go that route as part of what I think
is going to be a major project of up grading the water system.Cada Grove
Jubilee haul No, 100On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Cada,I didn’t know any 424’s had aluminum water tanks.
Silverheels’ are integral fiberglass, so I can only
speak for this setup. The discharge hoses for both
tanks are at the aft lower inboard corners of the
tanks. Those hoses run directly to the freshwater
manifold beneath the galley sink (in my L-galley
layout). My access to those fittings is, as you
guessed, under the tanks’ screwed down plywood cover,
which I cut early on so I could remove just the aft
4-or-5″ to get into that narrow space between the tank
and its aft bulkhead. To run new hoses, though, I had
to stand with my feet in the deep bilge sump and wedge
my upper body underneath the cabin sole to reach and
lead the hoses. Good to get to know that under-sole
area in any case, with its plumbing and wire runs.I believe some smarter 424 owners have cut access
panels in each tank’s aft bulkhead to access those
water tank hose barbs, and to open up that wasted space
for storage. Not sure how that works on the port side
in a U-galley layout.Have fun!
Tor
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Tor,
thanks for infor. I hoping not to have to go that far! My holding tank is
not SS and there is a lot of pluming for the two heads and two Y valves.Cada
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Cada Grove wrote:
Quote:Thanks foer info. My al. tanks are just sitting in the compartment formed
by the berth. Think I may be into a full removal of them for
inspection/repair..Cada
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Cada Grove wrote:
Quote:Thanks for feed back. Already checked and the water line hook ups are
not at the aft end. Jubilee was original built as a charter boat and has a
very extensive holding tank set up and prevents me from getting into bilge.
Looks like I will be cutting access holes – after I check every thing
again. Think I may revetse flow and see if I have a blockage at he intake
end.Appreciate any additional input.
Pete liked your new set up…I may go that route as part of what I think
is going to be a major project of up grading the water system.Cada Grove
Jubilee haul No, 100On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Cada,I didn’t know any 424’s had aluminum water tanks.
Silverheels’ are integral fiberglass, so I can only
speak for this setup. The discharge hoses for both
tanks are at the aft lower inboard corners of the
tanks. Those hoses run directly to the freshwater
manifold beneath the galley sink (in my L-galley
layout). My access to those fittings is, as you
guessed, under the tanks’ screwed down plywood cover,
which I cut early on so I could remove just the aft
4-or-5″ to get into that narrow space between the tank
and its aft bulkhead. To run new hoses, though, I had
to stand with my feet in the deep bilge sump and wedge
my upper body underneath the cabin sole to reach and
lead the hoses. Good to get to know that under-sole
area in any case, with its plumbing and wire runs.I believe some smarter 424 owners have cut access
panels in each tank’s aft bulkhead to access those
water tank hose barbs, and to open up that wasted space
for storage. Not sure how that works on the port side
in a U-galley layout.Have fun!
Tor
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It sounds like you’re having trouble priming your water pump. My 424 originally came with a self-priming diaphragm water pump, but it went up in smoke many years ago and has been replaced by a sureflow wabble-plate pump. If air gets in there, it can sometimes be hard to get the thing primed. I have best luck with a full tank.
there’s a foot-pump in the galley that is currently not connected. I have plans to hook it up to the manifold valves under the sink but I need an additional valve to do it right. It might be of use in priming the electric pump if I hook it up to the pressure side of the pump with a shutoff valve. It’s on the list.
The foot pump was originally connected to the water tanks with T-connectors such that all three tanks fed the foot pump with no valves. This allows water to drain from the windward tank to the leeward tank. That’s why it’s no longer connected. The three hoses now serve as tank drains for wither layup.
Rich
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My foot pump either takes fresh water from a collected feed or salt. The
selector is behind the trash can holder on the wall beneath the sink. We
wash dishes with salt.
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yek… I have separate foot pumps for salt and for tank water.
On 4/4/2014 11:28 AM, Thatcher A. Stone – Attorney Communication wrote:
Quote:My foot pump either takes fresh water from a collected feed or salt. The
selector is behind the trash can holder on the wall beneath the sink. We
wash dishes with salt.
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How many gallons and how in the world do you remove it? I once had an 8
gal holding tank there… not very useful. Instead I pulled up a large
piece of the salon sole and glassed a fuel tank into the hull – about 90
gallons. (BWS article on that on my webpage dublerfamily.com)Pete
On 4/4/2014 10:02 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:The fun never ends.My boat came with a sizeable stainless steel holding
tank occupying the space aft of the main mast,
stretching almost to the edge of the sump cliff.
Happily, it is removable. I pulled it to rearrange its
hose connection fittings, and kept it out for a while
so I could run new water hoses, mast wiring, forward
(windlass) battery cable, etc, etc. I can slide it out
through the floorboard hatch (above the sump) by myself
and manhandle it out of the boat, albeit awkwardly.
Can’t imagine refitting a 424 without full bilge and
under-sole access, at least for a while.Tor
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I set mine up like Thatcher’s, with a simple redirect
valve. I’ve only ever used it for seawater dishwashing,
but can instantly switch it over to the freshwater
system if the pressure water pump dies.Tor
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Hey Pete,
Silverheels’ ss holding tank is around 40 gallons, I
believe. To remove it I disconnect the hoses in place,
remove a retaining fiddle-block at the aft end, and
manually slide the tank back until its aft end can be
tilted up and through the floorboards hatch.
Considering I have not used the holding tank in 5 years
it would certainly be more functional as a spare diesel
fuel tank, but I figured in the unlikely event I ever
want to sail in US waters a holding tank would be
required equipment. Anyway, the 110 gallons of diesel I
carry has proven adequate for the Caribbean cruising
that I’m doing.Tor
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I sure like our composting toilet.
On 4/4/2014 2:07 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Hey Pete,Silverheels’ ss holding tank is around 40 gallons, I
believe. To remove it I disconnect the hoses in place,
remove a retaining fiddle-block at the aft end, and
manually slide the tank back until its aft end can be
tilted up and through the floorboards hatch.
Considering I have not used the holding tank in 5 years
it would certainly be more functional as a spare diesel
fuel tank, but I figured in the unlikely event I ever
want to sail in US waters a holding tank would be
required equipment. Anyway, the 110 gallons of diesel I
carry has proven adequate for the Caribbean cruising
that I’m doing.Tor
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I have a holding tank in the same location, but in my case it is only a 6 gal tank. How big Is your tank, gal or dimensions. I need to up scale mine since a 6 gal fills up vey rapidly.
Steve
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Quote:On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, “Silverheels” wrote:The fun never ends.
My boat came with a sizeable stainless steel holding
tank occupying the space aft of the main mast,
stretching almost to the edge of the sump cliff.
Happily, it is removable. I pulled it to rearrange its
hose connection fittings, and kept it out for a while
so I could run new water hoses, mast wiring, forward
(windlass) battery cable, etc, etc. I can slide it out
through the floorboard hatch (above the sump) by myself
and manhandle it out of the boat, albeit awkwardly.
Can’t imagine refitting a 424 without full bilge and
under-sole access, at least for a while.Tor
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Steve,
My tank measures 13″ x 13″ x 38″. This 6,422 cubic
inches, I just discovered with an online conversion
table, is a tad shy of 28 gallons, not the 40-gallons
my spec sheet said. Live & learn.Tor
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Pearson, on Jubilee, did a really nice job. All three tanks are feed to
under the sink where they installed a very high quality bronze set of
controls. One for each tank and one as a by pass to a whale foot/priming
pump. What is happening is that I am getting a lot of air mixed in with
the water so that I can got get a good prime for the pump. We had a very
hard winter, did put in RV winterizer solution for water systems, so I
either have a damaged line or some thing is blocking the intake at the tank
and the pumps are pulling in air some place to prevent a good prime.I am first going to try to reverse the flow by connecting a water hose at
the pump end and blowing it back towards the tank to see if I can clear the
line. Maybe a new foot pump and start over with the rocess (foot pump is
20 years old). If that does not work I will be forced to remove the board
that slides out by removing the two pieces of wood used as a slide tracks,
then remove plywood cover. Hope I can then see where the connection is and
replace the line. At this time I can see no signs of leaking.I appreciate all the ideas and info… As my wife has been telling me this
is a simple basic system – we just can not get to it! I wish some of the
Peasrson designers were still around so I could ask them WHY!Cada Grove
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Steve,My tank measures 13″ x 13″ x 38″. This 6,422 cubic
inches, I just discovered with an online conversion
table, is a tad shy of 28 gallons, not the 40-gallons
my spec sheet said. Live & learn.Tor
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If your blow-back idea doesn’t solve the problem, try
tightening every hose clamp in the system with a
ratchet wrench before you tear everything apart. I’ve
remedied similar issues this way more than once, even
when there was no evidence of water leaking.Tor
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That is the plan.. I checked Sat. and there does not appear to be any leaks
at the tanks. I also notice the galley pump was producing water on only
downward pump – should also produce [um[ on up strole. Ordered a new
galley pump!Gone away for a week – will let everyone know what happens when I return.
I will definitely check every connection.Cada on Jubilee
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:51 AM, cbboat wrote:
I had same symptoms you describe, lots of air mixed with water. Solution
was to tighten hose claim I had forgotten to tighten. Maybe you have a
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Final update on fresh water problem. It took awhile but I found a hair
line crack in the plastic water filter/strainer. Just enough to break prim
on both the foot pump and electric pressure pump. Replaced and now working
I still want to locate the where the tank connections are on the port and
starboard ones. they are aluminum and hook up is not at the ends -another
smart move by the design team.Thanks for all the suggestion on my problem.
Cada Grove Jubilee No. 100
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Cada Grove wrote:
That is the plan.. I checked Sat. and there does not appear to be any
leaks at the tanks. I also notice the galley pump was producing water on
only downward pump – should also produce [um[ on up strole. Ordered a new
galley pump!Gone away for a week – will let everyone know what happens when I return.
I will definitely check every connection.Cada on Jubilee
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:51 AM, cbboat wrote:
I had same symptoms you describe, lots of air mixed with water.
Solution was to tighten hose claim I had forgotten to tighten. Maybe you
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