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Bob Fine & others,
Bob, a few months back we had a discussion about sheeting the Staysail on an inner-forestay. I think I recall (now I see the value of a seachable forum) you described the sheeting you have on Pelican that allows you to trim your staysail with a single sheet in the cockpit.
Well, I've now have my re-cut Staysail which no longer overlaps the main mast and I'm trying to design the sheeting for this sail. I would definitely like to have a single sheet coming aft to a rope clutch on the port side of the coach roof so I can use the main sheet winch to trim the sail. I just can't figure out how to do this without a traveler or a deck boom (ala Hoyt jib boom) neither of which are practical given I keep my dinghy on deck.
I can always just route 2 sheets back to the cockpit and trim the staysail with the Genoa winches, but I'd really like to avoid adding more spaghetti in the cockpit and I'd like to be able to set both the Staysail and Genoa (or Spinnaker) under the right circumstances.
Was I correct in my understanding that you have a sheeting system that will do what I want?
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John Stevenson
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Hi John,
There are a couple of ways to do this. One is a single eye just forward of the mast that you use a two part system with the final part running back to the cockpit. The other way is to use two eyes with a line between them ending on one side going through the clew and a block and back to the cockpit.
Remember, the staysail isn't necessarily trimmed like the jib, or even used close hauled (you couldn't trim the jib and staysail properly.
So slightly off the wind (footing) either system would work. I like the double part, single eye method because it allows twisting the sail when closehauled.
Bob
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Bob Fine & others,
Bob, a few months back we had a discussion about sheeting the Staysail on an inner-forestay. I think I recall (now I see the value of a seachable forum) you described the sheeting you have on Pelican that allows you to trim your staysail with a single sheet in the cockpit.
Well, I've now have my re-cut Staysail which no longer overlaps the main mast and I'm trying to design the sheeting for this sail. I would definitely like to have a single sheet coming aft to a rope clutch on the port side of the coach roof so I can use the main sheet winch to trim the sail. I just can't figure out how to do this without a traveler or a deck boom (ala Hoyt jib boom) neither of which are practical given I keep my dinghy on deck.
I can always just route 2 sheets back to the cockpit and trim the staysail with the Genoa winches, but I'd really like to avoid adding more spaghetti in the cockpit and I'd like to be able to set both the Staysail and Genoa (or Spinnaker) under the right circumstances.
Was I correct in my understanding that you have a sheeting system that will do what I want?
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Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com—
Bob Fine
Fine Software LLC
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Thanks, Bob.
That gives me something to experiment with for a few days. I do want the system to allow me to close reach (not close haul) with the Staysail (no Genoa) and also set the storm jib on the same system. I just couldn't get my mind around. I think the sheeting eye system you like will also do best for what I want. It seems to me that the double eye system will always want to pull the clew toward the centerline eliminating any control over twist (the upper part of th sail will fall off and luff and the lower part will be stalled). I definitely need to do some experimentation. Come on Spring!On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi John,
There are a couple of ways to do this. One is a single eye just forward of the mast that you use a two part system with the final part running back to the cockpit. The other way is to use two eyes with a line between them ending on one side going through the clew and a block and back to the cockpit.
Remember, the staysail isn't necessarily trimmed like the jib, or even used close hauled (you couldn't trim the jib and staysail properly.
So slightly off the wind (footing) either system would work. I like the double part, single eye method because it allows twisting the sail when closehauled.
Bob
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Bob Fine & others,
Bob, a few months back we had a discussion about sheeting the Staysail on an inner-forestay. I think I recall (now I see the value of a seachable forum) you described the sheeting you have on Pelican that allows you to trim your staysail with a single sheet in the cockpit.
Well, I've now have my re-cut Staysail which no longer overlaps the main mast and I'm trying to design the sheeting for this sail. I would definitely like to have a single sheet coming aft to a rope clutch on the port side of the coach roof so I can use the main sheet winch to trim the sail. I just can't figure out how to do this without a traveler or a deck boom (ala Hoyt jib boom) neither of which are practical given I keep my dinghy on deck.
I can always just route 2 sheets back to the cockpit and trim the staysail with the Genoa winches, but I'd really like to avoid adding more spaghetti in the cockpit and I'd like to be able to set both the Staysail and Genoa (or Spinnaker) under the right circumstances.
Was I correct in my understanding that you have a sheeting system that will do what I want?
—
Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com—
Bob Fine
Fine Software LLC
Your data on the web your way. No kidding—
Regards,
John Stevenson
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HI John,
I don't know if you're one of the mast pulpit people, but I was going to experiment using the loops at the forward bottom as attachment points.
I rather like the center pull, but when far off the wind will cause the sail to twist too much. Maybe not. We'll both experiment and see.
Bob
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Thanks, Bob.
That gives me something to experiment with for a few days. I do want the system to allow me to close reach (not close haul) with the Staysail (no Genoa) and also set the storm jib on the same system. I just couldn't get my mind around. I think the sheeting eye system you like will also do best for what I want. It seems to me that the double eye system will always want to pull the clew toward the centerline eliminating any control over twist (the upper part of th sail will fall off and luff and the lower part will be stalled). I definitely need to do some experimentation. Come on Spring!On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi John,
There are a couple of ways to do this. One is a single eye just forward of the mast that you use a two part system with the final part running back to the cockpit. The other way is to use two eyes with a line between them ending on one side going through the clew and a block and back to the cockpit.
Remember, the staysail isn't necessarily trimmed like the jib, or even used close hauled (you couldn't trim the jib and staysail properly.
So slightly off the wind (footing) either system would work. I like the double part, single eye method because it allows twisting the sail when closehauled.
Bob
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Bob Fine & others,
Bob, a few months back we had a discussion about sheeting the Staysail on an inner-forestay. I think I recall (now I see the value of a seachable forum) you described the sheeting you have on Pelican that allows you to trim your staysail with a single sheet in the cockpit.
Well, I've now have my re-cut Staysail which no longer overlaps the main mast and I'm trying to design the sheeting for this sail. I would definitely like to have a single sheet coming aft to a rope clutch on the port side of the coach roof so I can use the main sheet winch to trim the sail. I just can't figure out how to do this without a traveler or a deck boom (ala Hoyt jib boom) neither of which are practical given I keep my dinghy on deck.
I can always just route 2 sheets back to the cockpit and trim the staysail with the Genoa winches, but I'd really like to avoid adding more spaghetti in the cockpit and I'd like to be able to set both the Staysail and Genoa (or Spinnaker) under the right circumstances.
Was I correct in my understanding that you have a sheeting system that will do what I want?
—
Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com—
Bob Fine
Fine Software LLC
Your data on the web your way. No kidding—
Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com—
Bob Fine
Fine Software LLC
Your data on the web your way. No kiddingPost generated from Pearson424 Forum using Mail2Forum
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