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i was thinking about running my main halyard and reefing lines back to
the cockpit, but our deck layout does not provide an obvious solution.
Has anyone found a solution that they care to share?
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Hi Walter,
The solution is why we are all ordering mast pulpits. You could use all sorts of turning blocks to run down the side of the cabin, but that's ugly and it's inefficient.
The best of all solutions if you can't bring ALL the lines back to the cockpit (and trust me, you can't) is to leave them all at the mast and boom. There is nothing harder to do than reef in bad weather by running (crawling) back and forth to the cockpit to manage lines.
For this boat, make the halyards internal – giving you two jib and two main halyards. Install small line brakes on the mast and boom for your reefing lines/halyards so that you don't have cleats all over the place (that's what I'm going to do). Make sure that the reefing lines are all on the same side of the boom for the reef you're taking (if you're using single line reefing that's already done).
Make sure you have a method of attaching yourself to the mast or near the mast for working there in a seaway and that there is a way to keep the lines orderly.
The only lines I can see coming back to the cockpit should be the boom vang, the mainsheet, and the main traveler lines.
Failing that, of course, you can close up the midships companionway and then you have all the room in the world for running lines aft.
The key to remember when thinking about rigging the boat, especially for shorthanded sailing, is how much can you get done in one place, be it the cockpit or the mast. In my last boat, running lines to the coach roof was easy, and well designed originally by Ericson. There were 4 self tailing winches and 10 line brakes. The Pearson was designed to be a much simpler rig to control without much consideration for shorthanded sailing (in 1978, a 42' boat wasn't considered a singlehander…)
So, my final comment is: Do it at the mast.
Tada!
Bob
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i was thinking about running my main halyard and reefing lines back to
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Has anyone found a solution that they care to share?
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Hi Alan,
Yes, my vang, a simple 5 part tackle, runs to the cockpit – as all 'sail trim control' lines should. I am, however, going to replace it with a Garhauer hard vang. Next year. Anyway, the lines run through turning blocks to a double cheek block outboard of the midships hatch, back through another cheek block to a line break under the dodger.
Bob
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:33 AM, alan P < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Bob,
Do you have your vang line running to the cockpit?
What type of vang are you using? Attachment points?
Anyone else care to chime in here?
alan— Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi Walter,
The solution is why we are all ordering mast
pulpits. You could use all
sorts of turning blocks to run down the side of the
cabin, but that's ugly
and it's inefficient.The best of all solutions if you can't bring ALL the
lines back to the
cockpit (and trust me, you can't) is to leave them
all at the mast and
boom. There is nothing harder to do than reef in
bad weather by running
(crawling) back and forth to the cockpit to manage
lines.For this boat, make the halyards internal – giving
you two jib and two main
halyards. Install small line brakes on the mast and
boom for your reefing
lines/halyards so that you don't have cleats all
over the place (that's what
I'm going to do). Make sure that the reefing lines
are all on the same side
of the boom for the reef you're taking (if you're
using single line reefing
that's already done).Make sure you have a method of attaching yourself to
the mast or near the
mast for working there in a seaway and that there is
a way to keep the lines
orderly.The only lines I can see coming back to the cockpit
should be the boom
vang, the mainsheet, and the main traveler lines.Failing that, of course, you can close up the
midships companionway and then
you have all the room in the world for running lines
aft.The key to remember when thinking about rigging the
boat, especially for
shorthanded sailing, is how much can you get done in
one place, be it the
cockpit or the mast. In my last boat, running lines
to the coach roof was
easy, and well designed originally by Ericson.
There were 4 self tailing
winches and 10 line brakes. The Pearson was
designed to be a much simpler
rig to control without much consideration for
shorthanded sailing (in 1978,
a 42' boat wasn't considered a singlehander…)So, my final comment is: Do it at the mast.
Tada!
Bob
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM,
< ([email][/email])> wrote:i was thinking about running my main halyard and
reefing lines back to
the cockpit, but our deck layout does not provide
an obvious solution.
Has anyone found a solution that they care to
share?
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Walter,
I agree with Bob that running all of the mainsail controls (halyard, reef lines, etc) back to the cockpit is not really practical and from my point of view not desirable. I used to race on a friend's Sweden Yacht 38 which had all the lines lead to stoppers on the coach roof accessible from the cockpit. But that was a racing design with the assumption you had a full crew of 5 or more, one of whom spent his/her entire time on deck. It was not practical to raise the halyards from the cockpit. We always had a mast person who pumped the halyard until it was within a few feet of the desired hoist and then another crew member in the cockpit who cranked it home.
That said if you want to rig something like you describe you'll probably need to start with a mast plate to provide attachment points for the turning blocks necessary to run the lines back to the cockpit. Garhauer makes a number of them (http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=68). I've attached a picture of the plate on my friends Sweden Yacht 38. That was probably made by Selden, but it looks just like the Grahauer ones.
If you wondering about the level of deterioration in the lines on this boat there is a life lesson there. We raced this boat to Bermuda twice, Newport, RI once and numerous Governor's Cup races on the Bay. In the mid 90's my friend went middle age crazy and at the age of 55 went through a divorce, then re-married and started a new family. He owns the marina where I keep Sarah at this time. I expect I'll see him once this spring he will re-commission Saker (but not replace those badly worn lines), state for the umpteenth time he is really going sailing this summer. Then I'll see him in the fall when he returns to winterize once more. Nothing to do with rigging the sail control lines, but something to ponder.On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi Alan,
Yes, my vang, a simple 5 part tackle, runs to the cockpit – as all 'sail trim control' lines should. I am, however, going to replace it with a Garhauer hard vang. Next year. Anyway, the lines run through turning blocks to a double cheek block outboard of the midships hatch, back through another cheek block to a line break under the dodger.
Bob
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:33 AM, alan P < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Bob,
Do you have your vang line running to the cockpit?
What type of vang are you using? Attachment points?
Anyone else care to chime in here?
alan— Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi Walter,
The solution is why we are all ordering mast
pulpits. You could use all
sorts of turning blocks to run down the side of the
cabin, but that's ugly
and it's inefficient.The best of all solutions if you can't bring ALL the
lines back to the
cockpit (and trust me, you can't) is to leave them
all at the mast and
boom. There is nothing harder to do than reef in
bad weather by running
(crawling) back and forth to the cockpit to manage
lines.For this boat, make the halyards internal – giving
you two jib and two main
halyards. Install small line brakes on the mast and
boom for your reefing
lines/halyards so that you don't have cleats all
over the place (that's what
I'm going to do). Make sure that the reefing lines
are all on the same side
of the boom for the reef you're taking (if you're
using single line reefing
that's already done).Make sure you have a method of attaching yourself to
the mast or near the
mast for working there in a seaway and that there is
a way to keep the lines
orderly.The only lines I can see coming back to the cockpit
should be the boom
vang, the mainsheet, and the main traveler lines.Failing that, of course, you can close up the
midships companionway and then
you have all the room in the world for running lines
aft.The key to remember when thinking about rigging the
boat, especially for
shorthanded sailing, is how much can you get done in
one place, be it the
cockpit or the mast. In my last boat, running lines
to the coach roof was
easy, and well designed originally by Ericson.
There were 4 self tailing
winches and 10 line brakes. The Pearson was
designed to be a much simpler
rig to control without much consideration for
shorthanded sailing (in 1978,
a 42' boat wasn't considered a singlehander…)So, my final comment is: Do it at the mast.
Tada!
Bob
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM,
< ([email][/email])> wrote:i was thinking about running my main halyard and
reefing lines back to
the cockpit, but our deck layout does not provide
an obvious solution.
Has anyone found a solution that they care to
share?
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Walter,
If I could’ve figured out a reasonable way to do that on Silver Heels, I’d’ve done it. My last cruising boat, a Crealock
37, was set up that way and it was great. It really encourages you to reef early because it’s so easy to do from the
cockpit. I decided the next best thing is to install mast pulpits – and the rest is history.Tor
Silver Heels, P-424 #17
http://www.SilverHeels.us
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I am convinced.
Could someone re-send the email about ordering mast pulpits? It was posted before the forum was started, so my search was fruitless.
I know the deadline is past, but I am hoping that the construction has not progressed to the point where the vendor has to charge more.
I have the post at home, but I want to call the vendor asap (this morning if possible)
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