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Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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A handsome job, Chuck. I’ll bet you’re feeling real good about it, and
deservedly so.Tor
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Hey Chuck,
You are a true mechanical genius. That is exactly my next plan of action.
My old Westerbeke gave up the ghost and I am in the process of scouting out
a replacement.
Any suggestions on used (gently) engines? Just bought out my deadbeat
partner so monies are tight.Bill
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Alameda, CAOn Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Nice job, Chuck! Better than any yard would do, that’s for sure. I hope
(know) that baby will last a good long time!Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bill Emberley wrote:
Hey Chuck,
You are a true mechanical genius. That is exactly my next plan of action.
My old Westerbeke gave up the ghost and I am in the process of scouting out
a replacement.
Any suggestions on used (gently) engines? Just bought out my deadbeat
partner so monies are tight.Bill
SV Running Tab
Alameda, CAOn Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Bill, is your old Westerbeke a 58 by any chance?
Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Nice job, Chuck! Better than any yard would do, that’s for sure. I hope
(know) that baby will last a good long time!Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bill Emberley wrote:
Hey Chuck,
You are a true mechanical genius. That is exactly my next plan of action.
My old Westerbeke gave up the ghost and I am in the process of scouting
out
a replacement.
Any suggestions on used (gently) engines? Just bought out my deadbeat
partner so monies are tight.Bill
SV Running Tab
Alameda, CAOn Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Bob,
It’s a 60 with a blown head.Bill
Bill Emberley
*Edit One Productions, Inc.*
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Alameda, CA 94501Studio 510-814-9519
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Fax 510 814-6945On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Robert Fine wrote:
Bill, is your old Westerbeke a 58 by any chance?
Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Nice job, Chuck! Better than any yard would do, that’s for sure. I hope
(know) that baby will last a good long time!Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bill Emberley <
wrote:Hey Chuck,
You are a true mechanical genius. That is exactly my next plan ofaction.
My old Westerbeke gave up the ghost and I am in the process of scouting
out
a replacement.
Any suggestions on used (gently) engines? Just bought out my deadbeat
partner so monies are tight.Bill
SV Running Tab
Alameda, CAOn Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Ruble
wrote:
Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Bob Fine
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Ah. Totally different engine. Thanks for the reply. ..
Bob
I’m not being terse. This is from my cell phone and I detest typing on it.
On Nov 4, 2013 1:35 PM, “Bill Emberley” wrote:Bob,
It’s a 60 with a blown head.Bill
Bill Emberley
*Edit One Productions, Inc.*
2310 Clement Ave.
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Cell 415-279-1340
Fax 510 814-6945On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Robert Fine wrote:
Bill, is your old Westerbeke a 58 by any chance?
Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Nice job, Chuck! Better than any yard would do, that’s for sure. I
hope
(know) that baby will last a good long time!
Bob
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bill Emberley <
wrote:Hey Chuck,
You are a true mechanical genius. That is exactly my next plan ofaction.
My old Westerbeke gave up the ghost and I am in the process of
scouting
out
a replacement.
Any suggestions on used (gently) engines? Just bought out my deadbeat
partner so monies are tight.Bill
SV Running Tab
Alameda, CAOn Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Ruble
wrote:
Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Bob, thanks for the kudos. Ironically I work in a yard though I’m not a tech. They guys have been kind enough to review all my work but have left me to my own devices to get it done.
I’ve sold and supervised a number of re-powers and continue to learn on each one. On this one the lessons were invaluable and there still are a few more solutions to come up with before we run it.
While the yard may have come up with some different solutions to build the beds I went with materials that were cost effective and easy to work with. 3/8″ x 6″ FRP angle. The process I followed is right of the yard playbook. With the engine out, make the spot pretty. I also replaced the port cockpit scupper seacock, the last one to be replaced.
Bill, if you are going to re-power don’t bother with a used engine. I can say from experience you’ll wish you hadn’t afterwards. The effort expended whether having a professional do it (effort=money) or yourself is a fraction of the engine cost when you begin to measure the long term cost of installing a used engine. The engine is a 4B3 from Trans Atlantic.
There’s a number of options under 12K including a Yanmar 4JH5, Beta 60 and the Nani 50.Chuck
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Nice job! Please let us know how you like the engine after you’ve run it for a while.
What’s the cutout in the cabin sole on the port side of the engine box? Was this something needed for your old engine?
As I recall, the cost of a new engine was about 1/2 the cost of the full repower, not including labor. It ran me north of $20K.
Rich
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Rich no idea what those are there for.
Double the price of the engine and that’s a fair budget for a re-power. It will usually accommodate all the normal surprises.
I’ve yet to see another boat with the engine installed the way they did on the 424. It is far from ideal, a pain to remove and difficult to replace. There’s nothing level, plumb, flat or any common reference point to work with once you get the old tub out. Creating a true mounting surface that mimics the input angle on the v-drive and parallels the engine brackets is a tedious project.
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Adam,
Once I get this engine out, It’s yours. I will yank whatever you want off
it. Been a pretty good powertrain just an oil leak here and there along
with typical funky stuff associated with a 33 year-old engine.Bill Emberley
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Adam Silverstein wrote:
That makes me the holdout. And my iron genny Bessie one of the last
W-60s. If you guys have any spares, etc, pls advise. I baby her, but I
have a feeling I’ll need some parts. Exhaust manifold, for instance.
Funky W-60 stuff.
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Chuck
Looks great!
Linus
Live by the currents, plan by the tides and follow the sun
On Nov 4, 2013, at 12:21 PM, “Chuck Ruble” wrote:
Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Wow, gorgeous! How did you figure out those mounting angle on the bed?
Pete
On 11/4/2013 7:36 PM, Linus Martinez wrote:
Chuck
Looks great!
Linus
Live by the currents, plan by the tides and follow the sun
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Took all summer but it is nearing completion. A slow dance…
I thought I’d share some photos of the process.Chuck[/url]
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Pete, I made a simple jig of the engine from 2×4’s and a length of 3/4″ plywood with a vertical surface at the tail with a mark that represented output coupler on the gear.
The jig was rested on wood blocks and shims to get it in plane with the v-drive input. With an idea now of how it would sit I trimmed the bilge gussets that were left behind after the removal of the old perimeter frame.
They were cut to create a uniform, slightly slanted surface towards the v-drive.I made mock up beds out of pine and luan. Tweaked that a few time and made a set of beds strong enough to support the weight of the engine out of FRP.
The angle where the feet set was still to shallow, the studs from the isolation mounts passed through the engine brackets about 5 degrees off square.
I made a second set with a steeper angle and some other improvements.
The studs are square in the brackets now. The depth of cutouts could be a bit deeper but it would make getting to the underside (mounting bolts) more difficult so the depth is a trade off. There’s still room for adjustment downward but I don’t think it will need it.Chuck
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Nice job.
I ended up cutting the old bed down and attaching angle iron with
brackets to the cross members. I kept the same angle as the old bed.
When we lowered the engine in we had to cut the front of the old bed out
a bit to clear the shaft. Thank goodness for the sawzall…On 11/5/2013 10:48 AM, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Pete, I made a simple jig of the engine from 2×4’s and a length of 3/4″ plywood with a vertical surface at the tail with a mark that represented output coupler on the gear.
The jig was rested on wood blocks and shims to get it in plane with the v-drive input. With an idea now of how it would sit I trimmed the bilge gussets that were left behind after the removal of the old perimeter frame.
They were cut to create a uniform, slightly slanted surface towards the v-drive.I made mock up beds out of pine and luan. Tweaked that a few time and made a set of beds strong enough to support the weight of the engine out of FRP.
The angle where the feet set was still to shallow, the studs from the isolation mounts passed through the engine brackets about 5 degrees off square.
I made a second set with a steeper angle and some other improvements.
The studs are square in the brackets now. The depth of cutouts could be a bit deeper but it would make getting to the underside (mounting bolts) more difficult so the depth is a trade off. There’s still room for adjustment downward but I don’t think it will need it.Chuck
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The W60 is a low-rpm robust block — feed her clean fuel and keep her cool — she’ll never let you down. My bilge mat under the pan is clean. The circulating pump was not designed to handle heavy side loads (ball bearings) — this is a source of grief for many owners. Set up properly they keep on ticking.
Hank S.
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