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I have a 120% and a staysail. I’d like a 130-135%. The boat goes ok as
is, though. If you do get a new headsail, make sure the clew is not so
high that you can’t flatten or shape it. I think a 155 is too big.Bob
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Adam wrote:
I currently have a 155% genoa on roller fuller, and considering new
headsail. Sailmaker recommends 135% instead of 155%. What do you all have
and like?Thanks
Adam
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Adam,
Do you have a ketch or a cutter? I have a 135 Genoa on my ketch, and it is
as large an overlap as I would want or could set. I suspect you have a
cutter, which might be able to set a 150 as the mast is further forward.
Also the decision must be based on the area in which you sail. If I were
to go trans-ocean again I would opt for a 120. Much of the time off shore
I sailed with the genoa partially furled to about a 120. On the Chesapeake
Bay I was glad I had the larger Genoa.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
I have a 120% and a staysail. I’d like a 130-135%. The boat goes ok as
is, though. If you do get a new headsail, make sure the clew is not so
high that you can’t flatten or shape it. I think a 155 is too big.Bob
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Adam wrote:
I currently have a 155% genoa on roller fuller, and considering new
headsail. Sailmaker recommends 135% instead of 155%. What do you allhave
and like?
Thanks
Adam
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IMHO, a 135% is the best compromise.
Tor
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Good points, John, but isn’t the mainmast on a cutter rig stepped further
aft than on a ketch?Tor
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Tor,
you are correct the cutter rig mast is further aft, making a 150 an even
larger sail.
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For summertime in light-wind S. Florida coastal waters my 150% balances well jig and jigger — I love it. In the winter and during 20+ winds my 80% works great. Have used the 150% reefed in a pinch. Exclusive blue water I’d probably add a 135% to my inventory.
Like others have stated, it depends on when and where you play.
Hank S.
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Adam,
Seems like a 135% genoa plus a staysail will approximate the square footage
of a 155% jenny. Granted, the 155 will probably be more effective in light
airs, but the 135/staysail combo offers a variety of all-weather sail
options right down to a storm jib.Food for thought.
Tor
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Or cut-down your old 155 and buy a new one. I sail with a 155 here in the northeast. My boat is a sloop, the same dimensions as the tall ketch but without the mizzen. Our summer winds are typically light. In anything up to about 20 kts apparent, the 155 is needed. With 10 kts apparent, even more sail would help. I just ordered a new 155% genoa ($5K). I ordered it from Doyle. I ordered heavy fabric for the headsail, the same weight as my main. My practice is to depower the main when the wind picks up and not reef the headsail. If this doesn’t work, I roll-up the headsail and sail with just main. I don’t reef the main for coastal cruising. Reefing the headsail doesn’t seem to work well unless I’m off the wind. The mast, even with the taller rig, is short for the boat. It’s like leaving the mooring with a reef in already.
The boat points just fine with a 155%.
Rich
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I have a 135, which works well with the constant strong trades here in Hawai’i. I also have a (I guess you would call it a) spinnaker the PO had made for the mizzen. I have yet to fly this. Does anyone else have this sail?
If so, what is your experience/advice?Dan Kalinowski
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Dan,
Sounds like you have a mizzen staysail. It’s a sail I’ve long wanted to
add to Sarah’s inventory. Jack & Patricia Tyler had one on Whoosh and used
it often. Here’s a picture of Whoosh sailing under mizzen staysail in
Caribbean:
http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/Images/Whoosh%20Mizzen%20Stay%20Sail.JPGRegards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM, kalinowski wrote:
I have a 135, which works well with the constant strong trades here in
Hawai’i. I also have a (I guess you would call it a) spinnaker the PO had
made for the mizzen. I have yet to fly this. Does anyone else have this
sail?
If so, what is your experience/advice?Dan Kalinowski
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Aloha John: Always a sloop sailor before my ketch (but certainly sold on the ketch rig) , I never knew what to call this sail. Interestingly, mine is green and white striped in the same pattern as the one on Whoosh. Looking forward to finding out what this thing does. My boat was the Cruising World Calendar cover girl for 1990 and the pic shows the sail flying brightly.
Mahalo
Dan Kalinowski
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Dan,
I learned to fly a mizzen staysail on a yawl I used to own, so was happy to
find one aboard Silverheels when I bought her. I’ve only used it maybe 10
times, usually on long offshore legs. It’s fun to do, looks cool, and gives
the boat an extra ½-1 knot. Typically flown when reaching in light airs, it
fills the large gap between the boomed out main and mizzen sails. It may
take a bit of experimentation to decide where to attach the tack on your
boat, but you can usually hold that corner in your hand while the sail is up
& full and move it around to create the best sail shape. I tether mine
either to the aft foot of the windward mast pulpit, or to a deck padeye to
which a staysail sheet block is normally shackled (photo attached).There should be an external swivel block at the mizzen masthead for the
mizzen staysail’s halyard, and a cleat on the port side of the mizzen mast.
The single sheet is led outboard of the mizzen shroud to another swivel
block on the end of the mizzen boom (which may be secured out to leeward
with a preventer if necessary, and from there to a cleat on the side of the
mizzen boom or else to any handy cleat on the cockpit combing (photos
attached).I found the attached sketch on Google. Looks like an old Bruce Bingham
drawing! The instructions originally said “(Mizzen) running backstay set up
to leeward quarter,” but I’m sure that’s wrong so I changed it to say
“windward.”Have fun,
Tor
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Thanks for all of the help! Seems like the majority of you like the 135 %.
Never thought of cutting the 155 down to get a smaller sail, great idea! Wondering if Shay or anyone else has done the Isla Mujueres race, and what was needed. My current sail is in ok condition, but has lost it’s shape and doesn’t point as well. Also have a roller furling main, and understand some loss of some sail area. I do use my mizzen staysail at times as Tor described, but I sure could have used that great diagram and pics years ago!
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Adam, Mack Sails built my genoa and we had a similar discussion. Decided to keep up the tradition and stay with the 150% since most of our treks have been coastal during the summer. As I mentioned before, a 135 is an ideal ‘universal’ size, but light winds are common for me. When the wind picks up, we douse the genoa and run a (full batted) reefed main. 90% of the time I run jib and jigger.
Hank S.
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On HiFlite we put the 150 in storage and just use the 135. Our local
sailmaker said not to try cutting sown the 150, he didn’t think we would
be happy with it. Our mizzen staysail was embarassing to use (pink,
orange, lime green and blue) until I got a picture of what it looks like
from a distance. We love it and it turn a lot of heads as we sail on.
We enjoy calling out the order “Hoist the mizzen staysail.”On 10/12/2013 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
Thanks for all of the help! Seems like the majority of you like the 135 %.
Never thought of cutting the 155 down to get a smaller sail, great idea! Wondering if Shay or anyone else has done the Isla Mujueres race, and what was needed. My current sail is in ok condition, but has lost it’s shape and doesn’t point as well. Also have a roller furling main, and understand some loss of some sail area. I do use my mizzen staysail at times as Tor described, but I sure could have used that great diagram and pics years ago!
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Could one of you folks who have a mizzen staysail please take luff,
leach, and foot measurements? Those of us who are staysail-less would
really appreciate it. Thanks
Pat and DaveOn 10/12/13 8:47 PM, Dale L wrote:
On HiFlite we put the 150 in storage and just use the 135. Our local
sailmaker said not to try cutting sown the 150, he didn’t think we
would be happy with it. Our mizzen staysail was embarassing to use
(pink, orange, lime green and blue) until I got a picture of what it
looks like from a distance. We love it and it turn a lot of heads as
we sail on. We enjoy calling out the order “Hoist the mizzen staysail.”On 10/12/2013 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
Thanks for all of the help! Seems like the majority of you like the
135 %.
Never thought of cutting the 155 down to get a smaller sail, great
idea! Wondering if Shay or anyone else has done the Isla Mujueres
race, and what was needed. My current sail is in ok condition, but
has lost it’s shape and doesn’t point as well. Also have a roller
furling main, and understand some loss of some sail area. I do use
my mizzen staysail at times as Tor described, but I sure could have
used that great diagram and pics years ago!
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We have done the Isla Mujeres race 15 times. We have the original size on Bel Esprit II. By the way, I am looking for a new captain.
Elaine Patton
Bel Esprit IIOn Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:37 AM, dave jones wrote:
Could one of you folks who have a mizzen staysail please take luff,
leach, and foot measurements? Those of us who are staysail-less would
really appreciate it. Thanks
Pat and DaveOn 10/12/13 8:47 PM, Dale L wrote:
On HiFlite we put the 150 in storage and just use the 135. Our local
sailmaker said not to try cutting sown the 150, he didn’t think we
would be happy with it. Our mizzen staysail was embarassing to use
(pink, orange, lime green and blue) until I got a picture of what it
looks like from a distance. We love it and it turn a lot of heads as
we sail on. We enjoy calling out the order “Hoist the mizzen staysail.”On 10/12/2013 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
Thanks for all of the help! Seems like the majority of you like the
135 %.
Never thought of cutting the 155 down to get a smaller sail, great
idea! Wondering if Shay or anyone else has done the Isla Mujueres
race, and what was needed. My current sail is in ok condition, but
has lost it’s shape and doesn’t point as well. Also have a roller
furling main, and understand some loss of some sail area. I do use
my mizzen staysail at times as Tor described, but I sure could have
used that great diagram and pics years ago!
Adam_______________________________________________
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