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    • January 21, 2018 at 5:31 pm #223794
      Josh Nicholas
      Participant

      Hi Everyone,

      We are in the process of having a survey done prior to the hopeful purchase of our first 424. She is a 1983 ketch with a slightly different layout to anything else we have yet seen online. With only one companionway from the cockpit leading into the saloon/galley area, she has a separate double aft berth to port w/ head & basin, galley to starboard, and a U-sofa opposite a settee aft of the V-berth and second head & basin. Attached is the best photo we have depicting the layout, we wanted to know if anyone out there has seen this layout anywhere?
      Our main reason for asking is to find out whether all the specs are the same as 424’s with the standard layout. She is missing an engine and we plan to re-power her but want to know if the same engine swaps apply etc?

      Thanks Gang,

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      1. 6384796_20170929115540730_1_XLARGE.jpg

    • January 21, 2018 at 5:34 pm #223796
      robshookphoto
      Participant

      I’m a factory cutter but I have the same layout. Engine and v drive are laid out the same as far as I know.

      Pearson 424 cutter - "Effie"

      • January 21, 2018 at 5:46 pm #223797
        Josh Nicholas
        Participant

        We are wondering if she was originally a cutter and could have been converted to a ketch..?

        Thanks though, good to know about the engine and v-drive.

        • January 21, 2018 at 5:55 pm #223798
          Revery
          Moderator

          Josh,
          If you know the hull number, I can look to see what history we have on her.

          Evan
          Revery #219

          • January 21, 2018 at 6:59 pm #223799
            Josh Nicholas
            Participant

            Evan,

            That’d be great, il be speaking with the marina tomorrow and will find out.

            I attached a photo that was on the listing, its printed in the hull but im not sure if it helps at all… Online it tells me its the CIN/HIN number which tells the year and company and serial number but nothing about the hull number…

            Thanks again

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            1. 6384796_20170929113406677_1_XLARGE.jpg

            • January 21, 2018 at 7:40 pm #223803
              Revery
              Moderator

              Josh,

              Actually, we have no history on this hull other than what I gleaned from the YW ad.

              PEA72 = Pearson 424, but PEA59 is more common and I’m not sure why they used 72 for a while (see below).
              200 = the sequential hull number; 1 through 220 for the 424
              M83A = Model year 83, first month. Which, according to USCG convention at the time 83A is actually August 82. Odd, yes.

              The PEA59 vs. PEA72 issue confuses me.
              PEA72 was used for hulls 196, 198 through 200, 206, 208 through 212, and 214 through 217 (total of 14). Also, maybe 205 and 207 but we don’t have any info on those hulls.
              PEA59 was used for all others.
              Perhaps it’s related to the layout since Rob has the same layout as this one and is #198. If anyone knows why, I’m all ears.

              As for if she started life as a cutter or a ketch, she appears to be a factory ketch. Two things give it away:

              1. Factory cutters have a “stump” on the foredeck that held the staysail boom and also have an inner baby stay.
              2. A factory cutter’s mast sits about 8″ or so further aft than those on ketches and sloops. This was to counteract the center of effort moving forward due to the addition of the staysail.

              So, probably more info that you ever wanted, but there you go.

              Good luck! A lot of work, but they’re solid boats.

              Evan
              Revery #219

    • January 21, 2018 at 8:02 pm #223804
      Chris Warren
      Participant

      Hi. We have a Pearson 424 Plan C cutter. I attached a picture of the layout if this helps you. We are hull #263 I believe…at least that is what is stamped inside the hull.

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      • January 21, 2018 at 8:58 pm #223810
        Revery
        Moderator

        So THAT’S a C plan. Thanks Chris n Connie!

        On a side note, I’d be very surprised if you have #263. They stopped at ~220.
        If you look for your HIN…starts with PEA…the 6th through 8th digits are the hull number. You should have it on your survey or bill of sale. If not, it’s stamped into the upper starboard corner of the transom.
        Can you let me know so I can update the owner registry?
        Thanks!

        Evan
        Revery #219

    • January 21, 2018 at 9:24 pm #223811
      Ryan Doyle
      Participant

      Hi everyone,

      We just wanted to chime in as we are hull 206 (1983 424 original ketch) and we have the same layout. I have pasted links to photos of our interior.

      Josh – Congrats on the new boat. You’ll love it. As far as a repower – We have a Westerbeke 58 from 1991 and the original Walter v-drive. From my cursory research it appears Beta Marine makes a nice drop-in motor for our boat.

      Regards,
      Ryan and Kathleen
      Juniper
      1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
      Hull #206
      Brooklyn, NY

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGbFlTbllhN3dyb29tRXFOWXVHcHc0cHh4UGJ3/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGNmh1ckpBZy14U2I2dWY3Qlh0YW1iMVIxTHBR/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGbnRSaWpzNG5PYmZCQ1F1by1UN1F0QUVFVjZR/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGcHZsVF8xU1M3NThtaElWbi16ZlJkblFHYkVz/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGSTE3eUEtYUY2QVlhRzlTVDkwdmhPaEVveF93/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGaTdQVUJXRnVJSkJPU2hWYlhZVkRnY3VMOVlr/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGT0xhYUJmN2s0clJEQmNQMkpmMWpXT2RPQlNN/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGVHM1UVI5SHZ1TGNyNmROWVlzZVZPbGpFRUNV/view?usp=sharing
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGVmV6MkkzSlMyeHZmaERZdGk4YmpScjVIa1hn/view?usp=sharing

      • January 23, 2018 at 11:00 am #223847
        Josh Nicholas
        Participant

        Ryan & Kathleen,

        Thanks for those great photos, its awesome to see how one looks with the same layout thats in great condition. Beta marine seems to be lots of peoples go to for a more modern engine with better parts availability, although I had an email through this thread from a guy who asked if id considered repowering with electric… definitely food for thought. The company OceanVolt have some pretty amazing gear! Would you be able to share a photo of your cockpit area? Also is the porthole above the aft berth bunk standard or an add in on your behalf?

        Thanks again,

        Josh & Lucy

        • January 23, 2018 at 12:42 pm #223848
          Ryan Doyle
          Participant

          Josh & Lucy,

          You got it. We had all new interior cushions made when we purchased her – a big investment, but boy does it make a difference in the feel of the interior. Her interior woodwork still needs some love – especially in our nav area. I believe that portlight that opens into the cockpit is original.

          On the subject of electric power – I am a tad obsessed with renewable electric power. We actually have a solar-electric dinghy – I got too annoyed with my gas outboard.

          I would love a clean, low maintenance electric motor on Juniper, however I looked into this pretty extensively and found that for the speed (6+ knots) and range I would like to have (a few hundred miles), I would need an incredible amount of batteries on the boat. Your needs may be different, but our diesel tank provides something over 400 mi of range at 6 knots. I don’t believe you will find an electric system priced similarly to a new motor that provides that… yet. If you do, tell us!

          Shots below of the cockpit.

          All the best,
          Ryan and Kathleen
          Juniper
          1983 Pearson 424 ketch
          Brooklyn, NY

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          • January 23, 2018 at 7:45 pm #223869
            Revery
            Moderator

            Ryan,
            That’s a pretty tall order. We’re 99% sure we’re going electric but have had to temper our expectations a LOT (as you’ve discovered).
            6 knots? I’m not sure a sailboat needs to run 6 Nm/hr, but that’s just me. Hundreds of miles? Same thought.

            We will actually be a hybrid diesel/electric and, truth be told, we wouldn’t have considered if we didn’t already have a 8kw generator “just laying around”. The storage technology just isn’t there yet…but we’re working around it.

            Stay tuned in a separate series of threads as we convert.

            Evan
            Revery #219

            • January 23, 2018 at 9:59 pm #223870
              Ryan Doyle
              Participant

              Evan,

              I’m very excited to see your hybrid system. I look forward to reading your posts about it as I’m a bit obsessed with the subject. The solar/electric dinghy I built has been my little test bench for electric propulsion.

              Please do keep us updated on your conversion.

              Regards,
              Ryan

    • January 21, 2018 at 11:06 pm #223819
      garmoa
      Participant

      Like that layout better than my 1980 ketch. I’ve covered my forward companionway hatch with canvas and only use the aft one.

    • January 21, 2018 at 11:37 pm #223820
      Ryan Doyle
      Participant

      The big advantages I can see that the two companionway layout has over ours is the separate shower stall (although there is only one head), and the more open aft berth. I like having the two heads for privacy with guests, however our aft berth feels more cramped with the wall next to the companionway.

      It’s all a trade off it seems.

    • January 22, 2018 at 9:03 am #223828
      Windward Star
      Participant

      My cutter has the common layout, I think the “A” plan, pilot berth/nav table aft, galley to port with full head opposite, center folding table in saloon. The difference is that I have a fwd head to stbd in the vee berth. I get the benefit if dual heads and dual companionways. This was the second 424 for the original owner so he had some custom changes. I’m hin 220.

    • January 22, 2018 at 11:01 am #223832
      Chris Warren
      Participant

      Hi, I was able to find our Hull number and it looks like we are Hull #215
      for the data base update. 🙂

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    • January 23, 2018 at 7:24 pm #223865
      Windward Star
      Participant

      Just redid my salon cushions as well, sure brightened things up a bit.

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      • January 23, 2018 at 10:10 pm #223871
        Ryan Doyle
        Participant

        Looks great. I like that you have separate back cushions so that you can access the storage more easily.

        Ryan

    • January 23, 2018 at 11:06 pm #223873
      Windward Star
      Participant

      Thanks Ryan. I reused the backs as the foam was in good shape however I did replace the bottom foam. In doing so I made the bottoms about 1/4” too long so when compressed into the space the covers wrinkled some. I’m gonna have to pull them out and shorten them a bit. It shouldn’t be too hard of a fix, transporting them to the shop will be the hardest part.

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